* On the DNA issue, it provides a reference point for the determination of the question- Is the Shroud of Turin authentic or a fake?- by its comparison to the DNA of the blood of Christ, on the Shroud of Turin, the believed burial cloth of Christ and the blood of Christ on the Sudarium, held in Oviedo Spain. I should add that I was not the most courteous of people in my entry into this conversation, either. origin and ensure there was no hoax being played. Although in the interest of recognizing the importance of faith, Jesus probably decided to have the piece of heart tissue be genetically identical to pig heart. When we think about Eucharistic miracles, we may be tempted to think that most of them are unsubstantiated stories that only happened in the old days and couldnt happen today in our age of science. A Catholic priest in Poland was doing the Holy Communion ritual recently. And even though I may have accidentally implied it, when I said something freaky I actaully just meant the whole wafer-then-flesh deal, whether it was a naturalistic and horribly corrupt human switch, or a supernaturalistic and divine switch. Then again in 1996 after a consecrated host fell to the ground and was also put in water to dissolve, it was found a few days later to have turned into a bloody substance. This is made much more difficult by the fact that I do not speak Polish, so my "digging" ability is quite limited. The Roman Catholic Bishop of Legnica in Poland has made an extraordinary claim about a "eucharistic miracle". (not speculated but produced) what then? These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. If Ascension would remove that reference, that would be great. Both cases were sent to be tested by the archbishop of Buenos Aires, who was none other than our future Pope Francis. 4. Analogously, we could analyze the DNA of the tissue produced by the priest and perhaps determine a natural origin. They concluded that the structure of the transformed fragment of the host is identical to the myocardial (heart) tissue of a living person who is nearing death. And this book So, what youre looking for is yes. The Eucharistic Miracle in Sokolka, Poland, 2008. This kind of phenomenon is inexplicable by the natural sciences. There cannot be one exception otherwise the theory collapses. 1) Did the Prosecutors Office initiate an investigation to determine the origin of the debris? Doing a little bit of searching, I was able to find the primary report co-authored by the scientists mentioned, Prof. Maria Elzbieta Sobaniec-Lotowska and Prof. Stanislaw Sulkowski (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330400580_Eucharistic_miracle_from_the_scientific_perspective), which does a great job of summarizing their findings from the analysis. I filmed the whole process. He found that the plaster statue readily absorbs water and can leak it out through scratches in the outer glazing. dwjka
For more information about these and other Eucharistic Miracles (including pictures), I suggest going through the website called The Real Presence. Second, this DNA must have a Y chromosome and markers which indicate Jewish lineage. Like many of us I, Ron Tesoriero, had only relatively recently read that in the history of the Catholic Church there were claims that during the Consecration at a Catholic Mass , bread and wine had transformed into what looked like flesh and blood -so called Eucharistic Miracles. That substance has been found in each case to be heart muscle from the same part of the heart as found in the Buenos Aires case. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. But, yeah, my first thought was sleight of hand too. Also, did they check the rest of the stock of communion wafers? Each of these occurrences received intensive study with highly advanced technology. Awwwww come on guys, God took a coffee break from creating a few more galaxies and decided to do a bit of ju ju in Poland. Contact them directly to get the latest information. We were given complete freedom as to the scientific testing and there was no Church influence. Copyright Nowe Media, Polskie Radio S.A. Wszelkie prawa zastrzeone. How that analysis is done depends on how the bishop (and likely the commission that would be set up to investigate) approaches it. The Church has treated the incident in Sokolka cautiously from the beginning. The Holy See could take over the investigation, but generally leave it to the bishop unless there is a just cause to step in. On January 7, 2009, the sample of the Host was analyzed by two professionals separately, at the University of Medicine of Biaystok. Dr Zugibe was a New York Heart specialist and a forensic pathologist. May 2, 2016 11:00:09 AM|by Jane Korvemaker. You came to him with a contrite heart and you have been absolved of your sin. http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/10/possible-eucharistic-miracle-in-poland/. Check out Armistead Maupins More Tales of the City. You also dont get (at least as far as Im concerned) to assume a miracle is any less likely than a natural event; to me, the very fact that were here at all constitutes a miracle of a kind, so that sort of talk comes down to blatant presupposition. The other Eucharistic Miracle investigation details are: Reason to Believe 2016. 29.10.2009 13:31:00. Im not playing semantic games here. the wafer turns red when it emerges from the water odder. The miracle in Legnica is similar to one that took place in Sokolka in 2008, when a consecrated Host was accidentally dropped on the floor, placed in water, and later observed to start bleeding . However, I was unable to find an online copy of the report submitted to the Curia of Bialystok, which would have contained the actual data that was reported by the researchers that was used by the Curia to determine the miracle was authentic, and not just a summary thereof - nor was I able to find the report issued by the Metropolitan Curia itself, which would be entitled "Communication of the Metropolitan Curia of Bialystok", dating to October 14, 2009. Papers are written to explain natural events in scientific termsenough said. Thats murder! Atheists demand it and yet you could spend a day searching and never find one online, Right here: https://web.archive.org/web/20201007171625/http://handsonapologetics.com/Miracolo%20Euaristico_Eucharistic%20Miracle.PDF, Excellent article, please see my reply to Mark as a senior medic. The being, the essence the soul of that bread and wine is the Body of Christ not in an observable or scientific way, but in a metaphysical one. At the end of the Mass, at the request of the pastor, Fr. The scientific expertize of the Eucharistic Miracle at Sokolka (Poland) reveals how the Holy Host may be simultaneously the bread and the Body of Christ. And as always, he's been there waiting for this encounter. On 20th April 2004, Mike Willesee and I presented a pathology slide of the sample of the Eucharistic Miracle of Buenos Aires to Dr Frederick Zugibe in New York, to examine it. The results were truly amazing and they continue to baffle scientists. News quickly spread, and soon faithful Hindusaround the world were feeding milk to Ganesha statues and witnessing the same effect. I assume that the transubstantiation doesnt occur until after you swallow it, but what happens if you are sick and throw up? Friendly Atheist. See DVD documentary , Blood of Christ part 2, by Ron Tesoriero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce. Z. who hosts thsi blog explains why the wafer is placed in water. (see Katya messages) Catholics believe that Jesus is present in the Eucharist alive, as he was at the moment of the Resurrection. Hello all, . That he would be shocked and deeply moved comes as no surprise. 5) We have found no information that anyone has investigated this activity. IAR, PR online
Throughout history God has chosen on particular occasions to lift the veil that hides his presence in the Eucharist. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. He found that the plaster statue readily absorbs water and can leak it out through scratches in the outer glazing. Thanks so much. For those asking for scientific results: Was there a lack of evidence? The sister immediately informed the priest, who brought in the other priests at the parish and the visiting missionary, Fr. I would recommend a check of sources. https://reasontobelieve.com.au/unseen/. By mid-January of 2009, the altered fragment of the host had dried out naturally, and remained like a blood stain or clot; since then, its appearance has not changed. And thousands of tourists will flock to our lovely town and bring their cash. The church doesnt seem to be exploring that option, though: The matter should be approached very carefully, says priest Andrzej Debski. Check out the great priests and group leaders that travel with Select International tours. The Church has treated the incident in Sokolka cautiously from the beginning. During that time, the Church authorities reflected on what to do, since they were dealing with a sign from God which needed to be interpreted. It may help with your friends. I have been finding myself in a cloud of stunned amazement. In response to reading about this miracle, I did as any other person would: I googled more Eucharistic Miracles. That was possibly murder or the human remains of someone who had died. On October 29, 2008, the vessel was placed in the tabernacle of the rectory's chapel. Other cases have not been tested with modern scientific equipment, nor have the many dozens of bloodstains on corporals and chalices that have been preserved and are venerated as having come from bleeding hosts. Ya know a bit of gratitue for all that scrifice.! in the you tube video, The Eucharistic Miracle of Buenos Aires, they stated that a DNA test was done but they could not get a genetic profile. * Scientific Investigation of the Eucharistic Miracle of Buenos Aires, the facts the evidence and the findings. See, if atheists read more fiction we wouldnt be shocked by this sort of thing. Argentine Host transforms (26 August 1996), Argentine Host continues to transform (6 September 1996), Argentine Host before taking sample for testing(5 October 1999), Argentine Host taken for testing (5 October 1999). Furthermore, they noticed the milk dribbling down and pooling on the ground. Oh, well, probably another one of those things well have to wait until we get to heaven to understand. . For example, the Shroud of Turin, has a website where all this information is made available but there isnt anything, that I can find, where we can go to see the researchers actual findings of other phenomena. Religion is based on faith. But most importantly I was given the opportunity to scientifically test the samples that were taken, and to have those samples tested with what Science could offer in the latest technologies of Pathology and DNA analysis. How do they ascertain that it is of human origin? Jane Korvemaker loves food, family, wine, and God (perhaps not in that order). And sometimes I think that I'm almost in a state of suspended belief to that which is so opposite to our senses: 'Jesus flesh? Does that mean they were eaten? Im really delighted by your cordiality here. That morning during Mass, a priest accidentally dropped a host while distributing Communion. I assumed that either the doctors were lying or that someone desecrated a corpse and slipped it into the chalice. I really wish people would rule out the rational explanation (faked by the priest, Or a serious health & safety violation in the cracker industry) before yelling miracle. Was this a podcast or something? jedynka
Gross. Help us continue to bring the Gospel to people everywhere through uplifting and transformative Catholic news, stories, spirituality, and more. Here, substance is some nonsensical imaginary thing, similar to how the words person and being are used when trying to define/reconcile the trinitarian doctrine. As he pronounced the words of consecration, the host and the wine transformed into what appeared to be flesh and blood. That was not a miracle. Additionally, this is an invitation for all ministers of the Eucharist to distribute the Body of the Lord with faith and care, and for the faithful to receive Him with adoration.. The Vatican International Exhibition: The Eucharistic Miracles of the World catalogs the 100+ purported Eucharistic miracles that have been recorded and venerated since the earliest days of the Church to the present. All of us asked the same question.why were we not told about this in our Catholic schools as children back in 50s & 60s and why dont we hear about them in our churches and in our Catholic newspapers? One week later, they had changed into a red substance. The Miracle of Sokka From the official statement from the Metropolitan Curia (the archdiocese) of Biaystok: On October 12, 2008, a priest distributing Communion dropped a consecrated Host. After the diocese investigated it, they released the following statement, In November of 2015, it was alleged that a consecrated host from Saint Francis Xavier Church in Kearns, Utah, appeared to be bleeding. That said I do appreciate your cautions to me: There is a truth that I dont like to think about that miracles do sometimes excite me more than they ought. When she opened the container, she saw, in the middle of the hostwhich was still largely intacta curved, bright red stain, like a blood stain: a living particle of a body. Im refusing to found my philosophy on others grounds. Your comment is invalid. I have caught myself thinking about it throughout the day and wondering how I might be able to sneak in a Mass sometime during the week, just to be with him again. However, you havent demonstrated that this has even been tried, as the link supplied merely says that the tissue looks like human heart tissue under a microscope. Occassionally a miracle takes place to cofirm that fact, called a Eucharistic Miracle. See, then, and believe. 1) Has a DNA analysis been completed of the heart tissue? I look at it more as a tacit admission that transubstantiation is a totally empty doctrine. More likely, Im in a place that Christ has revealed himself to me through contemplation of this miracle, and it comes through Christs all-loving touch in knowing when I might best respond to his call. They were the ones who determined the information about the tissue. there is currently less evidence of fraud than there is of something freaky having happened. Each have involved a communion host which has transformed into another substance. But in 1992, the miracles started happening again. The likeliest source for the water emanating from the statue's feet was a broken sewer line behind the wall. During a Christmas Day mass in 2013 a consecrated wafer or Host fell on the floor at the Church of St Jack. Then if we ever, you know, just happen to find some old bones in a cave outside Jerusalem that match. Im not writing this to be a jerk, this is simply what I have found. You should ask the priest to whom you confessed to be sure, but I think you should have no problem aproaching Our Lord at communion. Am I inclined to beleive? This transformed part of the host was dry and fragile, inextricably interwoven with the rest of the fragment, which had kept the form of bread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaoaHNhX1pk, http://www.miracolieucaristici.org/en/liste/list.html, https://localtvkstu.wordpress.com/2015/12/16/bleeding-host-was-mold-not-miracle-according-to-diocese/, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq089dbcibs, The Catechism: A Guide for the Christian Life, The coagulated substance is human blood, AB blood type, with the same protein distribution as found in normal, fresh blood, The host is human muscular striated tissue of the myocardium, left ventricle (heart); arteries, veins, branch of vagus nerve, and adipose tissue all can be identified, Like the blood, the flesh is also fresh, living tissue, because it responded rapidly to all the clinical reactions distinctive of living beings as if the flesh and blood samples had been taken that day, Histological tests revealed no sign of preservation techniques of any kind, The blood is human, AB blood type; human DNA was found; white blood cells, red blood cells, hemoglobin, and mycrophages were present, indicating fresh blood; in the Tixtla miracle, the blood clearly emanated from within, because the blood on the surface had begun to coagulate but the interior blood was still fresh, as with a bleeding wound, The flesh is human myocardium tissue of the left ventricle of an inflamed heart; in the miracles from Argentina and Poland, there was evidence of trauma from the presence of thrombi, indicating repeated lack of oxygen; lesions present showed rapid cardiac spasms typical in the final phases of death. You do not need an annulment to be forgiven. Good for them for being the voice of reason. In all seriousness, this would be an honest opportunity to convince/convert me. One commenter at The Poland Express sheds some light on the true meaning of the incident: Hello, Do Eucharistic Miracles happen regularly? It could be argued that if there was a human genetic profile in the sample tested then it would not be the Blood of Christ, because Jesus is said to have been born without the intervention of a father. I love you! On December 8, 1991, a priest at the Shrine of Betania in Ca, Venezuela was celebrating Mass. Please share so more people hear the Lords message. The article in The New Poland Express says: But rather than dissolving it turned red. What would they like to know? It is accessable by train from Warsaw via Bialystokabout 3 hours for most trains. The studies proved that no foreign substance was added to the consecrated host; rather, part of the host took the form of heart muscle of a person near death. Searching the web indicates that mention of the WHO study is likely an urban legend. gospodarka, https://www2.polskieradio.pl/eo/dokument.aspx?iid=118901. Hopefully, you have taken Italian or might have a hard time reading it. Such a miracle occured in Poland at the church of Saint Anthony of Padua in Sokolko on Sunday, October 12, 2008. They issued a common declaration stating: The sample sent for evaluation looks like myocardial tissue. <3. Both are histopathologists at the Medical University of Bialystok. Dominicans Top the Charts: The "Summer of Sisters", The Eucharistic Miracle of Sokka, Poland, Click here to read more about this miracle, Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License, CatholicMom.com Book Series at Ave Maria Press, The Peyton Institute for Domestic Church Life. 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