Required fields are marked *. We made no attempt to do any cleaning in case the knife is old. It does, however, have a small Japan stamped in the blade at the hilt. To recuperate some of the money that they had spent producing blades and knife components, Marble offered a civilian version of the knife to the public in 1961. auction. J5 Forest King etched with prototype J-5 on the blade. This knife looks a lot like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real quick. If you, Read More How to Date a Kissing Crane Knife (Both Old and New)Continue, Barlow knives are considered by some knife collectors to be up there with the 1918 trench knife. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. Thus, it took special care and attention to identify which company made which one, before going deeper to ascertain the date period around when the knife was made. SKIP. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. J-7 marked Kent with Sportsman etching and stagged Orig. Now that you have established the ka-bar knife and got the markings to know what kind of issue it is, how about knowing if it is a WW2 knife or not? Hi Bruce: They is a lot more ingredients to the batch of pudding for these knives. If you have also been stuck on how to date a Kabar knife properly before you landed on this piece, I believe you must have all the information you need right now. By blade with S numbers. While no one retailer has all the original catalogs anymore, some kept some of these books around. Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. Marbles taught Camillus how to do it. They got into every kind of game and having different manufacturers along the line meant that they all didnt have to stick to the same design philosophy. While some other companies have taken over the design and started to make modern versions, there is simply nothing like the older units that first came out under the original Klaas company. rivets, Kent Sportsman with etching and stagged bone and large A knife for sale on Frank Trzaska's site shows a sheath with the same care instructions stamped into it, with the knife keeper in a different location. You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. S-3647 A prototype that was to have a 10 MM screw compass The Leather washers may have been replaced with the black ones. I hope this helps. The first bullet point was in an initial version of the article. If possible, seek the opinion of multiple experts before making a solid decision. head pommel. Maybe you can help me out here. I'll leave it at this, there is some conjecture out there on what these knives might or might not be. is the only one that survived the Marines. In 1957, the Marble-Arms Corporation submitted to the U.S. government a design based on their Ideal Hunting Knife design. There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. SKIP. In the early 2000s, the U.S. Army published requirements to private industry for an aviation survival knife to replace the aging Air Force Survival Knife. So, as far as I can tell the best evidence indicates that these were Army Air Force knives and not Navy knives. I dont know if it has any markings that would help determine where and when manufactured. See Picture for identification. I havent had the opportunity to measure it as its not in my possession and never was, I simply saw it. Thanks for sharing. Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. Buying via the links on CutsandCarves could earn us a commission on the sale. - Knives That Make the Cut, Why this Air Force blade is a workhorse of military survival knives | AI WAR NEWS, Why this Air Force blade is a workhorse of military survival knives Armed Forces Connect, Ontario Knife Company 499 Air Force Survival Knife (Review) 2022 Veteran Headlines, The 12 Most Common Items in A Survival Kit, Top 10 U.S. Military Gear For Backpackers. by orvet Thu May 30, 2013 2:01 pm, Post that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal The sharpened clip point on the blade allows the pilot to punch a hole in the aluminum then use the knife spine as a hasty saw to cut through the aircraft skin during an aircraft egress situation. To re-arrange a genuine item like this would be quite a task. the Above JPK and the Marbles in the 1953 to 1957 time frame. I have a one of the knives that came out of a survival kit. Many GIs bought these knives and carried them during the war in Vietnam, including my father, who bought on in the exchange in Takhli, Thailand, and wore it during missions over North Vietnam. They may allow you to send it to them to get refurbished. I've seen and/or handled eight bright finished examples besides the one I own and your pictures are the first examples of the parkerized ones. However, based on the information that I have collected, vetted, and coupled with my own experience with the DoD procurement and testing process, here is the basic history of this knife. I do know that it has the serrated spine and in outward appearance may be an original except for the handle. If you are interested in the Camillus M4
The business was run by a handful of businessmen who, for one reason or the other, went out of business by 1900. It was used to open C-rations, cutting vines, skinning game and fish. I am trying to find any information on a 7 inch U.S. Camillus. 1 2 3 Items 1 - 12 of 27 Show per page Sort By Camillus Bombat 6" Pocket Knife #19484 $17.99 If you dont find your stamp and logo from there, use the official stamp/ logo guide from the official Ka-bar website as seen below: There is a lot that you can tell about the Ka-bar knife from the markings on the blade. Glen, They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. In all other ways, it totally resembles the pilots survival knife distributed to the military in the 1950s. The Marine Corps then also renamed the knife the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife. J63: Army Parachutist Knife. I have little knowledge on the Use of it in Vietnam, that said, I cant find much details. Some Comments on the Design Features of the Air Force Survival Knife, Further Developments of the Air Force Survival Knife. All About Pocket Knives is a knife related resource center for buying, selling, researching, and discussing all things knives, Post Camillus produced the knife with a 6-inch blade from 1959-1961. by orvet Tue May 28, 2013 1:20 pm, Post I recently bought a new Ontario that has 3-11 on the pommel (March 2011 I reckon). This guide to dating Camillus knives is focused on the Camillus-stamped knives only. Already bankrupt, the brands assets were bought by the Robinson Knife Company who flipped the assets to Cole National in 1966. I have a MK2 copy that I bought in the US Army AAFES exchange in West Germany in the mid-1980s. It is marked just U.S.N. US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY Your guidelines seem to contradict themselves:The knife has a thin, pinned pommelWW2 knife pommels are peened on the knife, not pinnedWhich is it: they are pinned or they are not?Please let me know, than you. For all that good, though, some bad actors have learned how to make fake Camillus knives and pass them off as vintage. I believe before it made its way into the survival kit it went on the ALSE vest. Never knew that opinions could be this varied. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. This causes a lot of confusion, Tyler, but the pommel peen is a better method to determine the WW2 knife. While researching this knife I discovered that Camillus, the same manufacturer as the iconic Kabar fighting knife, was the main producer of these knives. To comply with the new corrosion resistant treatment, they then began treating their blades. I had suspected that was the case but did not have any evidence. Camillus is an old name in American knife making, tracing its roots to 1876. Jan / meng aerospace engineering / flavoring homemade yogurt with jello . Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. The condition of the leather sheath is what would one would expect to be from late 1960s to early 1970s vintage as it was found at the time, which has not degraded since. Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the by coffeecup Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am, Post Rosewood and steel domed rivets. December 15, 2017 in EDGED WEAPONS. The knife was probably modified by a previous owner. Do you have any additional information on what the 6-89 is and how it fits in the history. The post-1962 knives were produced by the Camillus Cutlery Company and Milpar during the Vietnam Era. Many of us have been exposed to the fixed blade knife known popularly as the Air Force Survival Knife. Sent to the Jeffersonville Quartermaster, it is essentially a 6 One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. Examine your knife pocket identifying mark on one of the blades. The grip will be made of leather in compliance with Federal Standard KK-L-165. Dale AAPK Administrator Camillus wanted to send the knife with a hack saw blade attached to Both have leather grips. Okay, maybe not fakes. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. forces were gone by 1973. Before you can regard them as a collectors item, though, you need to know that you are working with the, Read More How to Tell How Old a Barlow Knife Is by Yourself (Charts, Stamps, and More)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. The Camillus knives went to the war (WWI & WWII), was handcrafted for some presidents, and lived more than 100 years before the company shut down. spacer arrangements. Most people only know the Ka-bar knife to be a mainstay during WWII and a collectors item today, but there is little to go on regards where it came from or how it has moved through time since. Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. It is the SP 2, Survival Knife. Camillus Factory still shot courtesy of Tom Williams showing
In the testing Western won the contract The knives illustrated in Post #5 could had been fabricated in that transitional phase, or part of sample packs for the Navy salt spray tests, but just a theory. Ontarios knife became procured by the U.S. Army and was issued a National Stock Number, NSN: 1095-01-530-0833 within the Federal Supply System. These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. These knives became popular with outdoorsman. If you have some method to receive photos, let me know and Ill forward the photos. the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. One is the "Shark.". Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. Is it a genuine vintage or merely a reproduction? Its nice to come across a blog every once in a while that isnt the same old rehashed material. I was in Boy Scouts. If it comes with a sheath, there wont be a factory embossed stamp on it. This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. If I am honest, theyre not the only ones to make this mistake. The design was not adopted. However, it was still adequate for survival situations and therefore remained in the Federal Supply System. The handle should fold out to cover the entire blade edge. The same is true for family businesses that have been selling knives for generations as they tend to have such literature lying around. Additionally, synthetic composite materials like Kevlar had not been fully integrated into aircraft construction until the late 1970s and 1980s. Well I got my first one from and Army Helicopter pilot in Germany 1963. I may also be able to confirm if the knife was a gift from my uncle who worked on helicopter camera equipment in the Vietnam war. 1200 dozen made in If the blade measures 6 inches and it is an original, then it may have been manufactured before 1961. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. selected. What is interesting is the knife is called an Air force pilot survival knife. But you have an injury to your arm. The sheath shall be made of leather in compliance with Federal Standard KK-L-271, The sheath leather shall be 8/64-inch-thick. the knife is a Camillus model number 5733. That is some inspirational stuff. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. Both have black plastic pommel. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. Thus, the current standards, methods, and procedures were not necessarily applicable to the procurement process that brought this knife into existence. These sheaths are in a very different style from the
The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. Below the knives are short write up of what they are. The reason behind Marble selling their knife to the general public was due, in part, to pre-maturely manufacturing several thousand knife blades and parts in advance of learning who would be awarded the government contract to supply the knives to the military. 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